• Division 815 Technical working group Minutes – 31 July 2014

    Meeting details


    747 Collins St Melbourne




    31 July 2014








    Michael Jenkins


    Caroline Briers

    Contact and Secretariat:

    Caroline Briers

    Contact phone:

    (03) 9285 1502


    ATO Members


    Michael Jenkins

    Assistant Commissioner, Public Groups and International

    Caroline Briers


    Michael McCormack

    Senior Tax Counsel

    Kevin O'Shaughnessy

    Senior Director, Technical Leadership Group

    Andrew Peake (via phone)

    Senior Director, Technical Leadership Group

    Gus Falkenhagen

    Senior Director, Profit Shifting Practice (Project Manager)

    External representatives

    Reynah Tang


    Soulla McFall


    Vanda Davis


    Damian Preshaw


    Anthony Seve (via phone)


    Richard Atkinson (for Michelle DeNiese)


    Sharon Jansen


    Stuart Edwards

    ATO appointee

    Denise Honey

    ATO appointee

    Michael Kobetsky

    ATO appointee


    Chris Bowman

    ATO appointee

    Michelle DeNiese


    Agenda items


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    1. Introduction and welcome

    The Chair welcomed the group and introduced Michael Kobetsky who had joined the group for the first time.

    2. Minutes of 3 July meeting

    Minutes were accepted. May minutes are available on website.

    3. Simplification options – recap and update

    The ATO advised:

    • Work is progressing; the draft document has been distributed widely for consultation and feedback, with responses due by 8 August.
    • It is intended that the final product will be released with the documentation package.
    • The definition of economic group hasn't been codified at this time.
    • Members are encouraged to provide input by 8 August.

    4. Future areas of focus

    The ATO advised:

    • Next area of focus the ATO is considering is an interpretive product on consequential adjustments.
    • It is not intended at this point that arbitration will be considered as part of this as it doesn't relate to the interpretation of 815-145.
    • Members are invited to provide submissions on other priorities for consideration and are requested to detail reasons to support priority.
    • ATO will need to balance this within time and resource constraints.

    Members considered that it would be beneficial to get a holistic framework of the ATO view of the law. CTA will consider this and provide a submission.

    Action Item number


    Action item name

    Submission on priority for future work





    Expected delivery date

    August 2014

    5. Discussion – TR2014/D3

    The ATO provided the draft compendium prior to the meeting with feedback from members suggesting discussion focus on:

    • economic substance
    • interaction between basic rule and exceptions
    • congruence with OECD guidance
    • specific issue: thin capitalisation and 815-140.

    Discussion was held on these issues with feedback received from the authoring team and working party members that they felt the discussion was beneficial to their understanding of each other's positions.

    6. Other business

    Member raised the issue of how the new rules apply to arrangements already entered into prior to the enactment of the legislation.

    The ATO advised that the issue will be taken under consideration regarding the best way to address this.

    Action Item number


    Action item name

    Application of 815-B to arrangements entered into prior to enactment


    Michael McCormack



    Expected delivery date

    September meeting

    Next meeting

    The next meeting is scheduled for 25 August 2014 to discuss TR2014/D4.

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